Public sentiment is predominantly frustrated and skeptical about the Air India crash investigation. There are significant concerns over safety, potential cover-ups, and the credibility of the investigation's findings. Many commenters dispute claims regarding the RAM Air Turbine (RAT) and demand greater transparency and accountability from authorities, especially for the families of the victims.

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AndreCasu06

MattStormTornado

The unanswered question is, why did it crash.

Now let’s let the authorities do their job.

Random-Mutant

Way too early for a docu. Sheesh. Why can’t people just wait? Lol.

TumbleWeed75

A little earlier. They should Give at least time for the first report.

Rare-Collection4467

Well the initial report isn't due for another three months, so the unanswered questions at present are:

* Literally everything
* Why do people have so little patience?

Bionic_Redhead

Civil_Palpitation_84

Everyone is milking content out of it sadly. NEWS and Entertainment industry are some of the greediest

Suspicious_College71

Right now, almost everything about that tragedy is an unanswered question.

gnorrn

Just downloaded and watched it.


Link for those who want to watch it.

1080P WEB-DL

Link is good for THREE DAYS.

https://pastebin.com/FEW4LzXG

spectrum128k

Watched it there is nothing much just speculations and the same footage we have seen on repeat

thedesimonk

It will take like 2/3 years to make a proper documentary.

Competitive_Show_564

One guy on the programme really annoyed me. The “aviation security expert” as soon has he started talking he was babbling rubbish. Nick Ferrari is a respected UK journalist, but knows zero about aviation I actually laughed and said “why is he on here?”. And Simon Calder, well… no comment 🤣

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&gt;**At this point in the inquiry, the data available to the investigators does not indicate a mechanical or design issue with the 787 or its two GE Aerospace GEnx-1B engines,** ***TAC*** **is told.** The knowledgeable people who spoke with *TAC* also indicated that post-accident analysis showed no sign of fuel contamination or improper retraction of the aircraft’s flaps, two factors often speculated as possible contributors to the accident.

&gt;**The familiar people said the lack of any kind of advisory warning from Boeing or GE to operators, known as a multi-operator message (MOM) or all-ops wire, in the 13 days that have followed the initial black box reading ² in Delhi by the AAIB on June 25 is a key signal that a mechanical failure is not immediately suspected as the likely cause of the crash**. No urgent recommendations have been issued by the AAIB or the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board, nor a Continued Airworthiness Notification to the International Community (CANIC) from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration.

&gt;According to the people familiar, the available information on the black boxes at this point cannot rule in or out improper, inadvertent or intentional actions that preceded or followed the apparent loss of thrust before the aircraft crashed into a hostel for students at BJ Medical College.

&gt;A 787’s flight data recorder would capture the position of those switches, the precise timing of any movement and the sequence in which they were moved, along with a myriad of engine performance data to evaluate the health of the aircraft and its engines. The 787’s two integrated voice and data recorders capture 25 hours of data.

&gt;Those fuel control switches have two positions, RUN and CUTOFF, and are only moved on the ground during engine start and shutdown at the end of a normal flight — or if an engine needs to be manually shut down or restarted by the crew in the event of an engine failure in any phase of flight.

&gt;Moving a fuel control switch from RUN to CUTOFF in flight would cause the fuel supply to stop flowing to the associated engine, resulting in its immediate shutdown and the loss of any thrust. That would also stop the two electrical generators on each engine from providing power to many of the aircraft’s systems and some of its cockpit displays.

MadeInHell27

Not comfortable with where this is going. But the truth should come out, and hopefully it does.

nakutelusule

This article also says that there’s no evidence yet that the switches were actually moved. So making any further assumptions is premature

souvik234

It seems there was a movement of the fuel control switch from “run” to “cutoff” just after take off. The report does not say which of the pilots did it but following the analysis of the black box. That’s where the focus is right now. 

The initial analysis of the black box also shows there is NO design flaw with the 787 and or the GENx

Brown-Rocket69

Reuters has reported the same finding. 

[Air India jet's fuel switches in focus, as crash preliminary report nears](https://www.reuters.com/world/india/investigators-submit-preliminary-report-air-india-crash-indias-aviation-ministry-2025-07-08/):

&gt;A preliminary report into the deadly crash of an Air India jetliner in June is expected to be released by Friday, three sources with knowledge of the matter said, with one adding the probe had narrowed its focus to the movement of the plane's fuel control switches.

&gt;The investigation into the Air India crash is focusing on the movement of the engine fuel control switches following an analysis of the 787's flight and voice data recorders, along with a simulation by Boeing of the aircraft's final moments, one of the sources said.The investigation has not raised any immediate concerns over mechanical failure, the source said, and there has been no bulletin to airlines recommending changes to 787 operations.

What appears to be a successful attainment of at least the speed of V1, the obvious question is how is it even possible to have that take off roll without fuel switch being on the whole time. 

If engines were indeed dead due to fuel  deprivation, how did that happen all of the sudden and that too in both engines..

phyyas

Dual Eng Fail/Stall Memory Items:

1 FUEL CONTROL switches (both) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .CUTOFF, then RUN

2 RAM AIR TURBINE switch . . . . . . . Push and hold for 1 second

iflybigbirds

following the expected timeline of ~1 month for the preliminary report, so fair play by AAIB - although the quality is still to be seen, since I remember the AI812 report was kinda half-assed, hope it’s different this time

and now that they’ve submitted the report to the Civil Aviation ministry there could be delays because Indian bureaucracy is just fucking inept

GeneralOrdinance

babyp6969

Thanks, great article, factual, no speculation.

goldorak42

Dual engine failure at the same time is just unthinkable. But it seems to be the only explanation

GroundbreakingEgg592

1776cookies

Great article - a few nuggets of info I hadn't heard before.

UrgentSiesta

Thanks for sharing. Hopefully we will get some more preliminary data soon. According to AvHerald:

“On Jun 26th 2025 India's Civil Aviation Minister said, that the first black box was retrieved on Jun 13th 2025, the second on Jun 16th 2025. Both boxes were separately taken to Delhi with full security on Jun 24th 2025, the data have been successfully downloaded in the presence of AAIB and NTSB on Jun 25th 2025. The analysis of the data is underway.”

https://avherald.com/h?article=528f27ec&amp;opt=0

AliceInPlunderland

Very thorough. For most of us we already came to these conclusions a week or so ago. 
Now the hard part is figuring out wtf actually happened and hopefully the black box can clear cut say what happened otherwise the investigators are going to be SOL with the way the site has been.

Not____007

Clear article.  Nothing new but formatted well

Separate_Elk2629

ChemistryNew3404

Here's the security thing again referencing intelligence sources.   
  
[Link](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/aircraft-accident-investigation-bureau-dg-probing-air-india-plane-crash-gets-vip-security-cover/articleshow/122128531.cms)

First-Martian

Possible explanations of a simultaneous dual engine failure could include contamination of the fuel source into both engines, or an issue stemming from an incorrect input of flight parameters before takeoff.

I haven’t seen “incorrect input of flight parameters” mentioned here before - what specifically does this mean?

DifferentManagement1

The slats and flaps being extended, I didn't really get from the article, is this correct/expected for takeoff?

BarFamiliar5892

Question: if both engines are off, whether by human or mechanical failure, will landing gears continue retracting with the help of ram air turbine?

RearWheelDriveCult

Is the flap theory proven false? Too little flap used, like only 5 degree. No alarm would sound at takeoff.

LifeGuru666

&gt; It appears that the pilots activated the landing gear retraction sequence from the cockpit, but that they were not able to fully retract the gear, possibly because of issues such as an electrical failure that caused a loss of hydraulic power, Mr. Goglia said.

First time I see this. IIRC 787 has a whole new, digitalized way to retract landing gears that are integrated into the digital/electrical system. 

Could a fault in this system have taken the entire plane down? I know redundancy etc but could be a cause, not a consequence. 

Or then it's just the engines. 

suppreme

If the flaps weren't deployed on take off the plane will climb a few hundred feet but come right back down. Does anyone know if the flaps were extended?

Albrensar

Modi needs to lead india, this gap in releasing the voice recorder and avionic data?

Aggressive-Hair9462

Lemme guess, this is just a ChatGPT regurgitation of everything that was said in the days following the crash and contains no actual new information

cyberentomology

Is it really true that the data recorders don’t have internal power? What a design oversight, which will show in this case, if the plane really did have total electrical failure.

ApertureNext

Interesting findings,: https://youtu.be/VswFVpyg5ew?si=48M0L5uIm1OdX_kN

tryforfun8765

Let’s say it was deliberate by one pilot. 

How long before the other pilot would know what’s wrong? 

Would the audible warnings be descriptive enough to know what happened?

GrownHapaKid

For the benefit of everybody I just want to pull this out of Jon’s Report, for those asking about engine failure and all these other things. For the investigators to be focusing on the fuel control switches, they’ll have a pretty darn good reason to. 

“A 787's flight data recorder would capture the position of those switches, the precise timing of any movement and the sequence in which they were moved, along with a myriad of engine pertormance data to evaluate the health of the aircraft and its engines. The 787's two integrated voice and data recorders capture 25 hours of data.”

777978Xops

While I won't jump to any conclusions until officially released, I'm surprised to say I never considered a deliberate action being the cause. I couldn't wait for the initial report, because for the life of me I couldn't think of anything that would cause a dual engine failure immediately after takeoff, apart from US Airways Flight 1549 I can't think of any others in recent history, and that was for a very obvious reason.

Again, not saying it's a deliberate action until anything is confirmed, just amazed I never considered it and was racking my brain trying to think of only mechanical causes.

Zuki_LuvaBoi

I’m confused..Are they trying to say that it was intentional?

commandercoconut_1

Note that if both engines failed, the correct procedure is to cycle those switches. So if these switches were indeed moved, it’d be important to know whether it led to the engines shutting down or if it was a pilot attempt at restarting the engines.

cybis320

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/investigators-submit-preliminary-report-air-india-crash-indias-aviation-ministry-2025-07-08/

Reuters adds a bit of detail corroborating Jon’s report. Also says that Boeing simulated the flights last moments based on the FDR and the current focus is on the fuel control switches being moved.

I hope they find the answer. I know someone who was on the flight :(

eekspiders

If true this feels like it could have been a murder-suicide? This is horrific.

34786t234890

I know zero about aviation, but wasn't there an incident recently where a jumpseat pilot started reaching for switches and had to be restrained?

Mister_Silk

Would this also cause the rat to deploy despite an intentional shut down?

nautica5400

So dumb question as an aviation enthusiast but novice - seems like there is some built in safeguards to those switches - metal guards and also manually having to pull them up before pulling back to actually cut off. So how could this possibly have happened? Some sort of electrical short? The way I read this article (especially choosing the word "movement" of engine fuel control switches)almost makes an inference of some sort of deliberate action, since its stated that there was no indication of a mechanical failure.

orltragic

You know this explains why the lead investigator was given threats and he was given 24/7 security. I don’t like where this is going

Brief-Visit-8857

If it’s implying what I think it’s implying, then it literally brought a chill down my spine.

DamNamesTaken11

Many questions, including, did they pull the switches just after takeoff because it’s a more difficult situation to recover from or because it would maximise ground casualties?

Sparky_Buttons

Seems like murder suicide must have been a leading theory for a while.

Dagger1901

let's say hypothetically it was pilot murder-suicide. What would be the reasoning to do it mere seconds after takeoff, and not anywhere else into the flight? Was the pilot that eager to get the job done? usually in cases like this, such as Germanwings 9525, there are some unusual signs prehand of fishy business going on in the cockpit. I'd love to get more background info on the pilots personal lives.

GaBBrr

Did they have a jumpseater by chance? Anyone know?

Alternative_One_8488

It’s good to know that it wasn’t the aircraft or the engines I suppose, but damn…

CH1C171

MikeandTheMangosteen

Does anyone know when an initial report is set to come out?

rusalochkaa

I have heard that in some aircrafts, the Fuel Cutoffs Switches requires the Throttle to be at idle to work.

Anyone with a 787 experience?

vintain

So explain me this: why would the pilot do a mayday call and say loss of thrust, unable to achieve lift... If the co-pilot for example moved the two switches? Would the jet not give any alarm, warning? Would the pilot not say or argue with him that the CVR would pick up?

walkingdisaster2024

So here's my confusion about the suicide theory. Was there not a 3rd relief pilot in the flight deck that would've been observing and noticed right away? 2. If the pilot monitoring flipped the switches, he would also be on the radio. Why would he sound so distressed and confused about the engine problems?

Own_Fisherman_8060

I suppose we don't know yet whether this is based on FDR data or physical evidence, other than the article saying "movement".  But as the switches have gates, it seems likely that if they were off at impact, and were at all recoverable afterwards, they might still be off, or have telltale signs on the gates.

KnowLimits

For everyone saying “it’s just not possible to make that mistake”, I’m going to leave this here. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-07-03-me-1083-story.html

jimbojsb

Is interesting in the article it says in the event of a engine fire the fuel switch will illuminate Red to provide a visual cue. I know it's not related to this accident but it does remind me of an ATR crash I believe where the pilot shut down the wrong engine resulting in a crash.

1320Fastback

Father in law who is a retired captain and flew this plane said "If it was the fuel switches it just closes the fuel valve, but it takes time to restart and if both were closed at the same time at that altitude, there is no chance to recover!"

Beenjamin63

How reliable is this information? 

In theory, during the investigation the team doing the investigation is supposed to be cut off from the outside. Now that the initial report has been shared to the DGCA, the information should be more accessible.
- investigation team is now accessible
- DGCA people in the need to know sphere

I know this is India… but still Id rather wait to see the report

vorko_76

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